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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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episode number 339 for the 19th of March

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2017 Richard Saunders here with you from

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muggy rain-soaked and muggy Sydney

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Australia as I look out the window now

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the showers of just for the moment

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stopped but they'll be back again we've

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had one of the wettest ER marches on

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record one of the wettest months of

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March and I think it's going to continue

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I don't mind that so much but must it be

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so so sticky warm hot coming up on this

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week's show and update an update from

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the raw skeptic highly robertson on the

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David avocado Wolfe situation this is

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the man who believes the world is flat

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you know I found that hard to believe

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myself when I first heard that he

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believes the world is flat but then I

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read some of his tweets hmm Heidi

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appeared on the local TV news the prime

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seven news in her region up in the north

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coast of New South Wales to speak about

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this issue we're going to play that

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audio and then we're going to be

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chatting to Heidi about the latest

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updates from that area of the world and

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the tour of David avocado Wolfe Heidi

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Robinson the raw skeptic joining us on

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the phone line shortly from the north

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coast of New South Wales following that

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I'm going to let you in on a some

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details of our project I'm working on to

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do with predictions predicting the

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future can people predict the future

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have they have they I've been marking a

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lot of homework oh boy I'm going to tell

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you more about this project a bit later

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on in the show then we have a clip from

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New Zealand radio the live radio live

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network with the drive program with Ali

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mal and Ali's going to be speaking to

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our very own dr. Richie dr. Rachel

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Dunlop in her doctor Ricci report

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segment dr. H is going to be chatting on

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New Zealand radio about finding health

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information online a lot of peep

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run to dr. google I do it I'm sure you

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do it yourself he got something a bit

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wrong with you something's appeared

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what's that bump what's that rash I'd

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better ask dr. Google find out what dr.

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Rachel thinks about dr. Google when she

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was interviewed on New Zealand radio in

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fact she's been interviewed all around

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the world lots of people after dr.

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reaches opinion and you can listen to

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all those interviews are with a link I

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will put in the show notes but if you

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can't wait that long it's dr. ray ChiCom

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one word dr h e / research then to round

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off the show it's a report and update on

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the bell gibson saga Bell Gibson this is

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the young lady who would wink the world

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into thinking she had brain cancer which

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she cured using diet and good thinking

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and natural therapies when all the time

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she didn't have brain cancer at all well

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she had her day in court and will be

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reporting about that at the end of the

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show a big congratulations to my friend

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Lara Lara benim who you hear

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occasionally on the skeptic zone when

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may not does his interview SAT skeptics

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in the pub today Lara became an

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Australian citizen and I was very

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delighted to be at the ashfield part for

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the citizenship ceremony congratulations

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Lara and welcome to being a citizen I

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guess you'd say thank you to those

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people who wrote in telling me how much

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they enjoyed last week's episode the

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craziness it may not studios and I

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promise you most of that was simply as

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it happened it was sometimes when you

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wind up mayne odd that that's it you

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just have to let him go and do is crazy

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stuff it's actually i love i love

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visiting main art studios it's as crazy

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as it sounds it really is it really is

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and somebody was asking me how they can

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get in touch with Maynard for gigs

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because main art is available for DJ

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work and emceeing bands and things like

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that I look just go to Maynard calm

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today you and drop him a line but you

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have been warned you'll never know what

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to expect and I'm delighted to see that

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main are

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own podcast bunga bunga and so on have

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been nominated in the short list or have

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been shortlisted for the company and

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entertainment category at the podcasting

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Awards the castaway awards

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congratulations may not that's fantastic

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shortlisted for the the gong there and I

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think those Awards are coming up on the

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first of April so good luck may nod but

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now it's time for me to run downstairs

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and no I won't run downstairs i'll just

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pick up this glass of ice and lemon

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juice oh you know it's so muggy in here

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that all the moisture in the air is

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condensed on this glass and as soon as I

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pick it up a distributing my leg it'll

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teach me well I clean that up I hope you

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it's the raw skeptic report with Heidi

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Robertson the Byron Shire Council has

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been criticized for letting an

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anti-vaccination campaigner use the

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Mullen bimba civic hall for an event

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immunization supporters say it's a kick

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in the guts to local children who have

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lost their lives here's the

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controversial conspiracy theorist with

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more than 10 million followers on

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Facebook David avocado Wolfe is known

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worldwide for his strong

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anti-vaccination stance and tonight

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would hate to see him talk about

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vaccination in an area with such low

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vaccination rates as it is mullumbimby

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has Australia's lowest immunization rate

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with more than fifty percent of the

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population unvaccinated the Northern

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criticizing the bar enjoyed Council for

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allowing the event to be held it's

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concerning that the council who also run

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immunization clinics throughout the

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Shire would let an auntie vaccination

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proponent speak in mulund mb but the

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council says there's no rules or

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regulations for the civic hall and won't

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cancel the event at this point in time

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we currently don't have a policy to say

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who can or who can't use the hall some

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locals agree I think people are entitled

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to their own opinions about it free

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speech what ends acts are all about all

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the wars have been fought about for this

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country right to free speech the

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vaccination supporters don't where do

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you draw the line at providing someone a

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platform when it could potentially put

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the community at risk would the council

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have would they have hired the hall out

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to a group that incites by racial hatred

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or violence against women held

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professionals have also highlighted the

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importance of immunizations it's not

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only for the individuals themselves but

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for the rest of the community adding a

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simple jab saves lives Lucille entry

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prime 7 News well that was highly

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robertson our very own raw skeptic on

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the local TV news in the northern rivers

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and joining me now all the way from the

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region is heidi hello Heidi hello again

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hello again well done it's not always

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easy being on TV news no I had about 20

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minutes notice this time so I didn't

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even have to have time to have a shower

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or put my face on Richard well you came

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across pretty pretty good I thought oh

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thank you yeah okay I think it's

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important that when media contact us we

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are always available for them to to talk

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and to establish a good relationship

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with them so that they know that they

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can contact us at any time I think

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that's a terrific idea not only have our

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listeners just heard you doing that the

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interview on TV that in this week's show

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notes i'll link to the video so they can

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see you without your face on Oh

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excellent the other thing I was just

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going to mention was something I was

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really happy about was when when they

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did call me to do the interview I asked

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them if they had already interviewed any

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anti-vaccination proponents because I

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think as you know we've got a policy at

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Northern Rivers vaccination support us

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that we don't do false balance so we

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will not appear alongside any

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vaccinations people on camera or radio

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or in print if it's um about the safety

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and efficacy of vaccination we don't

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want to give them source legitimacy so I

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said that to the reporter on the phone

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and he said look we have already been

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anti-vaccination people and I said well

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I'm sorry then I'm not willing to do the

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interview and she then agreed to not air

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the views of those anti-vaccination

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people and she came up and did the

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interview so I was pretty happy with

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that that's good i did notice they were

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sort of doing a general Vox pops

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of sort of people in the street and I

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guess that's a different thing to get a

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feel for the community but the diamond

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anti-vaxxers know now since the last

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time I spoke to you of course we had

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this David avocado Wolfe fellow coming

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to Australia which he I think he's still

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in in the country he was scheduled to

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speak at one venue in the northern

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rivers and that was changed to a halt in

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the little town of mullein mimbi what

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what have you gathered since that

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meeting went ahead oh my goodness where

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do you say well so yes it was changed

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from a small cafe the venue in byron bay

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to the muhlenberg pacific hall which is

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a much larger venue because of demand

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for the tickets to see mr. Wolfe so we

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were notified about that that's when we

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started to call on the our local MPs and

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our council to come out in support of us

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and date their stance on vaccinations

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for one thing but also to say that it's

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not acceptable for a partially funded

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for the hall was partially funded by

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council and therefore taxpayers and we

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thought it was inappropriate for them to

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to host an ant vaccination proponent

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particularly as council also runs

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immunization clinics in the area we we

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didn't get any response to start with at

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all from the local MPs for the council

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when the media got a hold of it and we

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had we had nothing to do with that the

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media the media got a hold of it all by

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themselves they also approached council

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who are very reluctant to speak at first

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I think a spokesperson for them said to

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begin with the council does not have a

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position on vaccination which I thought

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was shocking enough in itself you were

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thought that they'd come out in strong

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support of vaccination but they said no

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we don't have a position either way then

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Northern Star one of our local papers up

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here approached the counselors and ask

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them each what their views on

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vaccinations were and there were a

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didn't want to make a comment one of

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them who came out in strongly in support

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of vaccination so it was a bit of a

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mixed bag there and we I guess we now

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know where we stand with council they're

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not willing to to come out in support of

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our group they're not willing to come

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out cohesively and say that yes our

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position is that we support vaccination

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so it's quite disappointing we have one

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of the MPS that did make sort of a

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wishy-washy statement saying yes i'm in

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favor of vaccination but I also support

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informed health joy mitch is kind of an

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anti vax weasel words or you know and I

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think they're just worried about losing

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votes whichever way they go they're

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going to lose votes because it's 5050

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here in Mullen been be fifty percent

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back tonight if state I think that's

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absolutely right i mean the area is

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famous for a very low vaccination rate

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yeah and that's the other thing like

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Marlon bimby is there is the postcode

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that post code is one that has forty six

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percent of five-year-olds fully

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vaccinated so it's it's appalling that

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council would endorse this renting out

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the hall and three of the councilors

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including the mayor on the managerial

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board for the hall so they've endorsed

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hiring out the hall for an

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anti-vaccination proponent and not only

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that the same hall with the same

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councillors also leased the hall out in

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November or December last year for a

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screening of faxed the anti-vaccination

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documentary and they also leased the

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hall out earlier that year last year for

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just a general and evac for improper you

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know against the no job no pay so

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they've had a history of doing this I

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think they they it's just only my

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personal opinion but I think they fall

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well knew that David Woolf was

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anti-vaccination and they decided to go

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with him anyway I wouldn't be at all

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surprised and I must say Heidi I am

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particularly outraged because I have

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performed in that tall myself

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have you and so of my kids a lot of the

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school kids have concerts there

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absolutely yeah how about that many

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years ago I was I did some a couple of

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plays actually in that terrific hall so

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yes not good at all but I also noticed

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in the last little world a link to that

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in the solo recording I don't know if it

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exists however we should also note that

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the Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has

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come out in the last week very strongly

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in favor of vaccination yes he he has it

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that was amazing that was actually

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instigated by tiny mcCaffery's spot on

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the TV show here in called the project

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she went on actually in response to

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Pauline Hanson another politicians

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comments about vaccinations and how

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Pauline Hanson said that parents should

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quote do their own research so Tony

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McCaffrey who lost her baby daughter

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Dana to whooping cough at 32 days old

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she's too young to be vaccinated here in

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the Northern Rivers she went on the

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project to talk about Pauline Hansen's

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comments and said how disappointed and

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gutted she was really that politicians

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weren't went a hundred percent behind

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immunization and as a result of that

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interview that Tony did for the project

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Malcolm Turnbull got in touch with her

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our prime minister and he had a

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one-on-one meeting with her to discuss

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what could be done in the Northern

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Rivers so we're hoping something will

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come as that we're hoping that because

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he did say that he would send someone up

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here to have a look at what's going on

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and to take a walk in our shoes and see

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that our local MPs and council aren't

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really supporting us and you know it's

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really hard for us as an unfunded just

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community grassroots group of parents

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it's hard for us when we don't have that

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support of local politicians so we're

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hoping that something comes with that I

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think that's great and as we've always

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known Heidi that we're in this for the

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very long haul the long game it is these

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things don't fix themselves overnight we

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can't just make a lot of noise and if

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thing will get better is this a very

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long slog for everybody and it can last

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for years but we do have our victories

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yeah I don't think I fully appreciated

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that when I first got into this vaccine

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advocacy I was so naive to start with I

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just thought well if we tell people if

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we give them the right information then

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problem solved that's how naive I was

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and I remember meeting in very early

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days with Public Health and one of the

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the deputy director of North Coast

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Public Health up here said to me you

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know what you're getting yourself in for

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he said you've grabbed a tiger by the

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tail he said be prepared and I thought

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nah can't be that bad and what is that

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for years later yeah it is he was

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absolutely right and it is a long haul

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and it's a step-by-step process and

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we've got some drawbacks and then we've

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got some successes I mean I remain

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hopeful I think we'll we're slowly

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slowly turning the tide people are

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getting more angry locals are getting

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more angry and and thats as a result of

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what's happened over the last few days

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I'm sure it is now do we have any

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intelligence any information about what

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wolf actually spoke about in the hall

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not that I'm aware of I've actually

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stayed off social media all day today

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which is the first to me but I needed a

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break so i don't i don't know if anyone

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there has have come out and said what if

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he actually did broach the subject of

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vaccination i know that on the facebook

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page of the ABCD north coast they they

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had a reporter who was refunded her

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ticket because at the last minute of

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course David will put a ban on all media

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which was kind of ironic because all of

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his followers were accusing us of trying

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to suppress his free speech and then he

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put a ban on the media so I think ABC

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radio did take too kindly to that and

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they said on their facebook page if

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anyone did go to this event we'd love to

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hear what he actually talks about and I

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last I saw it I think anyone's responded

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to that all right I will keep our

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feelers out and we'll uh give an update

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to our listeners

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if we get that information but now

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before we go Heidi and I'll let you get

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back to your day off which I've

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interrupted there's a story just come to

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light in the last couple of days about a

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tetanus situation of all things yeah can

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you believe it tetanus in this day and

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age it's completely preventable and a

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poor little girl 7 years old from our

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region was airlifted on Wednesday night

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from lismore bait hospital up to

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Brisbane suffering from Katniss which

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there's no cure for tetanus like many of

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these vaccine-preventable diseases

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that's why we've got back scenes for

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them because there's no cure so she was

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it was confirmed that she was not

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vaccinated due to her parents different

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sort of alternative thinking and

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ideology a local pediatrician who

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treated the child whenever went to the

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media and and and told them about the

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little girl who was very in a critical

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condition I don't know how she's doing

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hope she's doing well and I can only

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imagine what her parents are going

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through right now we have seen a lot of

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comments on social media condemning the

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parents and making some quite vicious

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comments about the parents and look the

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way we look at it is these parents

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they're they're victims of the

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anti-vaccination movement of the

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professional anti-vaccination movement

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and when I mentioned that on one of the

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threads on Facebook someone said what's

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professional about them you know I said

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well by that I mean that these are

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people that actually make money out of

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spreading the misinformation about

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vaccination people like David Wolfe who

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ironically was speaking in mulund bimbi

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as this girl was fighting for her life

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from the vaccine preventable disease and

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people like the Australian vaccination

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skeptics Network up here they're the

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professional people that make money out

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of spreading misinformation and

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vulnerable parents get sucked into it

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and these parents of victims is that so

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I think I well it's my opinion that

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we really need to have compassion at

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this time for for these parents because

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the other thing is if they see the pro

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vaccination community vilifying them and

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condemning them there they're not likely

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to come out and speak about their

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experience further they're not likely to

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change their minds the old confirmation

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bias might set in and they might stick

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to their guns and continue to not

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vaccinate their kids so I know people

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are very very angry as am i but this

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poor little girl is going through what

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she's going through but I think we just

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need to like you said before look at the

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big picture the long game of it and and

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see how we're coming across and we don't

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we don't want to seek to the level of

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the anti-vaxxers whoo-hoo do vilify

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parents that are going through a hard

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time yes they certainly do and you're

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absolutely right we must try to maintain

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our standards in all situations a we're

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all human of loss but we really must

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strive to do that well look Heidi

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Robertson the raw skeptic thank you so

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much for all this wonderful interesting

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updates to the ongoing story of David

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wolf in the vaccination issue up in the

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far north coast of New South Wales again

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I'll let you get back to your your day

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off we look forward your your next

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report thank you very much and thank you

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again for your continued support of some

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of our group it's much appreciated

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Thanks hi this is Heidi Robertson from

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the Northern Rivers vaccination

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supporters we are a group of concerned

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citizens dedicated to promoting good

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science and common sense in our region

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the far north coast of New South Wales

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this area are famous for its natural

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beauty and relaxed lifestyle also has

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the lowest rates of vaccination in

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Australia we are out to change that by

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challenging the myths and misinformation

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and by providing good evidence based

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information to the community we'd love

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for you no matter where you are in the

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world to join our fight please visit our

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web page at www

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n rvs dot info we also have a link there

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to our Facebook page tweet us at in our

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fax supporters that's V ax and check us

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out on Wikipedia by searching for

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Northern Rivers vaccination supporters

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thank you

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Scott Jerry Coyne maker Marshall neat

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Phelps torment Cecil from cognitive

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dissonance PZ Myers Richard Wiseman a

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sea drilling nor Heath and Eli from the

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scaling atheist Simon Singh rebecca

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watson and a multitude of local

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academics and skeptics there's literally

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nothing better you can do on a monday

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night in classical that doesn't involve

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taking your clothes off so come join us

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we've also got a vibrant online

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community you can find us on facebook

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twitter and get involved with the

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discussion glasgow skeptics self-help

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for your brain

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[Music]

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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and now direct from the cafe at

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Australia's science channel its brouhaha

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with tenure Meyer the world has been

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divided into those people who use

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antibacterial soap and those who don't

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and for those of you playing at home you

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guessed it plain old soap and water win

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the US has just banned antibacterial and

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antimicrobial soaps containing chemicals

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like triclosan and triclocarban because

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there's no scientific evidence to show

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they work any better than regular soap

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and water but more than that they could

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be helping cause antibiotic resistance

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so day to day to keep those bugs away

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just wash and dry your hands properly

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you don't need anything fancy of course

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though alcohol is a good sanitizer which

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is why I like to wash my hands in the

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finest gin with just a hint of lime

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for more brouhaha and Australian science

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head for ww Australia science TV hello

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and Allah needle on solo scoffs of dip

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moment been to an at low so now to

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skeptics on for we to stop and Katie

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Schneider moving from RC Connor really

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the burn skeptics own burn Stevie from

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the website of Australian skeptics

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skeptics calm night are you written by

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Tim mendham on the fifteenth of March

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2017 Bell Gibson guilty but delusional

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and now for the next fad now this is an

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update to the long-running saga of one

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Bell Gibson who would winked the media

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and society a couple of years ago into

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thinking she cured her terminal brain

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cancer by regime of wellness and

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alternative medicine it turns out she

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didn't have brain cancer at all and the

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whole thing appeared to be a big condom

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well Bell Gibson has had her day in

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court and the report by two mendham

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reads as follows Bell Gibson has been

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found guilty of misleading and deceptive

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conduct in the federal court for

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claiming that special diets and

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alternative medicine had cured brain

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cancer that she never had in her

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findings Justice Deborah Mortimer added

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that the fake wellness blogger may have

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been suffering quote some kind of

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delusion men quote that she had cancer

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rather than acting unconscionably as

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consumer affairs Victoria had insisted

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quote she may well have had other

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psychological or psychiatric issues and

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quote the published ruling said Gibson

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may face personal fines of up to two

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hundred and twenty thousand dollars

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and her company in command roads

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nominees could be fined 1.1 million in

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common is now in liquidation Gibson was

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not in court to hear the judgment but

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she is already spruiking another

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treatment which she says helped her pass

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a 60 centimeter rope worm prevented two

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of her teeth from needing fillings

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reduced the size of her tonsils by about

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thirty percent and is changing the hue

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of her hazel eyes into quote green with

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blue underneath banquet the age news

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website says she made the claims that

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are now deleted post on the master fast

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system Facebook page according to the

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age m FS espouses new age fasting and

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cleansing and encourages members to

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share quote how to clean our pipes like

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plumbers in quote and it's quote not

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bound by any man-made paper and all laws

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and quote and is quote based on master

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Liu ji knows understanding of space

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plasma technology nature and many

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amazing brilliant teachers in quote

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Gibson was apparently disappointed that

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she didn't have a camera with her to

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film the huge rope worm for posterity

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she made hundreds of thousands of

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dollars after building a social media

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empire based on her false cancer claims

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launching an app and releasing a

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cookbook the whole pantry through

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penguin publishing she also falsely

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claimed that a portion of the money she

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had made would go to charity inkerman

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received four hundred and twenty

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thousand dollars from sales of the book

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and the app Gibson admitted in an

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interview of the australian women's

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weekly in 2015 that her diagnosis was

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not real she had said that she had

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turned away from conventional treatment

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for cancer in favor of dieting and

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alternative medicine however just as

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Mortimer said quote there is no evidence

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to suggest Mis

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had any conventional cancer treatment in

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quote and that story comes to us from

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the Australian skeptics and I believe

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that Miss Bell Gibson has been given

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some more time for more evidence from

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her part or an appeal but we'll keep you

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updated as developments arrive

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SI esta simple idiot hey Sal you guys

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guys I just had the most amazing

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experience what experience unders unders

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have you been to the pub I told you not

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to hang out with mash you know she was

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blessed by peter Popoff no yellen i'm

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not talking about psychics it was a

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really SP experience now you have been

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to the pub either that or you've been

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smoking something no pontus the ESB is

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the European skeptics podcast it's the

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00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:49,800
most amazing thing you get to know so

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00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:51,930
much about skeptics and their activities

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across Europe you know if ends hot

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topics and interviews with lots of

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interesting people oh wow cool by the

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way pointers you just committed the

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false dichotomy fallacy I guess that

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means I'm really wrong yep and you can

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even learn about those fallacies in the

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show and hear about people spreading

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00:32:14,510 --> 00:32:11,340
silly ideas you should really check it

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out it's the ESP the European skeptics

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00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:18,180
podcast its own never weak alright so

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where can I get this is the experience

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it sounds good you can go online at the

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ESP do to you follow it on twitter at es

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podcast underscore EU or like the

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podcast on facebook oh and you can also

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contact the show by sending them an

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email to info at the espp you and if you

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want to subscribe do a quick search for

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the European skeptic podcast on

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soundcloud itunes or stitcher I don't

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know how you can believe

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you

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now it's time for dr. Rachel reports

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with dr. Rachel Dunlop hello listeners

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and welcome to dr. Richie reports well

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this week I wrote an article on the

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conversation website about improvements

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to dr. Google designed to return more

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accurate science-based information this

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move by Google is in part in response to

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the proliferation of pseudoscience on

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their browser and also just to help

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people find more reliable information

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online they have noticed that about one

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percent of all searches globally are now

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searching for health information and so

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they've decided to do something about

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returning information that is more

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accurate so this piece was republished

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across the country in the Fairfax press

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and as a result I got asked to do quite

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a lot of media so today we present to

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you my interview on dr. Google from

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radio live Auckland New Zealand if

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00:34:01,659 --> 00:33:59,139
you've ever felt a little poorly and

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00:34:03,899 --> 00:34:01,669
decided that before you get it checked

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out or instead of getting it checked out

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you'll plug your symptoms into the

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google machine just to see what's wrong

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with you well you may have got the right

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diagnosis you may not have but more and

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00:34:19,750 --> 00:34:17,659
more of us are doing exactly that the

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number of people turning to the internet

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for diagnosis for the ills is it rising

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rapidly and Google might even be a

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better option than the way a lot of

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people are doing these days and that's

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by talking to each other on Facebook

743
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which is you know if you extrapolate

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00:34:40,569 --> 00:34:38,299
that out potentially a recipe for

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00:34:42,399 --> 00:34:40,579
disaster there's some interesting

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00:34:45,549 --> 00:34:42,409
research going on on this and research

747
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fellow dr. Rachel Dunlop from Macquarie

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00:34:50,169 --> 00:34:48,589
University is with me Rachel how much

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00:34:51,879 --> 00:34:50,179
are we getting our health advice or more

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importantly advice about what might be

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00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:55,220
wrong with us from Facebook yeah well it

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looks like about from the statistics

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about two-thirds of people worldwide use

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Google as their preferred browser and

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00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:05,000
about ninety percent of us only look at

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the front page of Google so if something

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doesn't come up on page one we're not

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seeing it

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and surprisingly about twenty percent of

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people actually use Facebook to get

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medical advice which to me is a bit of a

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00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:17,640
surprise and probably a bit of a concern

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00:35:22,610 --> 00:35:20,160
as well so yeah we're definitely using

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the internet more and more these days to

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search for health information what is

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00:35:30,890 --> 00:35:28,470
predatory publishing is this the medical

767
00:35:34,340 --> 00:35:30,900
form of fake news and why is it such a

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00:35:36,290 --> 00:35:34,350
problem but well it kind of is in a way

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00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:36,300
it's some publishers that are just set

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up to publish anything that's basically

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00:35:43,820 --> 00:35:41,640
any sort of science as long as you pay

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00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:43,830
them so people have actually done

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00:35:47,870 --> 00:35:45,930
experiments where they made a computer

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00:35:50,180 --> 00:35:47,880
generated scientific paper that makes

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00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:50,190
absolutely no sense it just contains

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00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:52,410
gobbledygook and they've submitted it to

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these journals scientific journals and

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00:35:59,660 --> 00:35:56,130
they've had it published as long as they

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00:36:01,550 --> 00:35:59,670
pay them so basically this waters down

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at the quality of scientific evidence

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and you know it used to be that if

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something was published in the

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scientific literature you could be

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00:36:10,010 --> 00:36:07,860
pretty confident that it was right

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00:36:11,900 --> 00:36:10,020
that's not the case anymore because

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00:36:14,660 --> 00:36:11,910
these particular types of publications

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have really watered down the quality of

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00:36:20,780 --> 00:36:18,090
scientific publications so one of the

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00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:20,790
problems is the cost I guess of getting

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your hands on actual peer-reviewed

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00:36:27,500 --> 00:36:25,530
medical information online because I

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00:36:29,410 --> 00:36:27,510
don't know we've all been conditioned to

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00:36:32,270 --> 00:36:29,420
want to get everything online for free

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00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:32,280
how difficult and how expensive is it to

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00:36:36,830 --> 00:36:35,520
get the real stuff yeah look that's a

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00:36:39,530 --> 00:36:36,840
really good question and it's something

797
00:36:42,140 --> 00:36:39,540
that really annoys me because sometimes

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00:36:44,270 --> 00:36:42,150
a scientific paper can cost you 35 US

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dollars to read sometimes it can cost

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sixty dollars to read and you know this

801
00:36:50,690 --> 00:36:49,020
there's absolutely no reason that there

802
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:50,700
should be that much if it's online I

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mean if you're buying it as a paper copy

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00:36:58,400 --> 00:36:56,040
maybe this has been a problem for a long

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time because it's and it comes from the

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00:37:01,970 --> 00:37:00,240
old system of where people used to buy a

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00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:01,980
book you know I used to get it in the

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00:37:07,580 --> 00:37:04,290
mail but everyone wants some everything

809
00:37:10,370 --> 00:37:07,590
now quickly and fast and so there are

810
00:37:12,620 --> 00:37:10,380
models now where scientists can pay a

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fee and then then their papers will be

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available for everyone to see but that

813
00:37:18,860 --> 00:37:17,070
is very expensive but it will cost the

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scientists sometimes three thousand

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dollars to do that and so the other

816
00:37:25,290 --> 00:37:23,440
problem about too is even if you can

817
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:25,300
access to those papers can you interpret

818
00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:27,490
them which is the way that science and

819
00:37:31,140 --> 00:37:28,960
medicine is a reason it's in a language

820
00:37:34,110 --> 00:37:31,150
that is not designed for everyone to

821
00:37:35,340 --> 00:37:34,120
understand so even if I gave a paper to

822
00:37:37,170 --> 00:37:35,350
you for free would you be able to

823
00:37:39,450 --> 00:37:37,180
understand what the devil it's about I

824
00:37:42,060 --> 00:37:39,460
work in biology I don't understand what

825
00:37:43,770 --> 00:37:42,070
physicists are talking about even so I

826
00:37:47,450 --> 00:37:43,780
just don't understand other scientists

827
00:37:50,190 --> 00:37:47,460
I'd rather have a list of symptoms and a

828
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:50,200
matching list on the other side of the

829
00:37:56,460 --> 00:37:53,410
of the ledger of how I can make those

830
00:37:58,920 --> 00:37:56,470
symptoms go away is this what Google is

831
00:38:01,770 --> 00:37:58,930
doing with its symptom checker and its

832
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:01,780
health card what are they yeah the sort

833
00:38:05,130 --> 00:38:03,490
of is what they're doing and they have

834
00:38:06,750 --> 00:38:05,140
noticed that people are using their

835
00:38:08,820 --> 00:38:06,760
browser a lot to look for health

836
00:38:10,530 --> 00:38:08,830
information and unfortunately because

837
00:38:12,930 --> 00:38:10,540
the stuff on there is not feel paired

838
00:38:14,580 --> 00:38:12,940
it's not checked for accuracy they've

839
00:38:16,380 --> 00:38:14,590
decided that they have now setting up

840
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:16,390
this thing called a symptom checker

841
00:38:21,390 --> 00:38:19,450
where you can actually go on to the app

842
00:38:22,890 --> 00:38:21,400
so if you have a smartphone go into the

843
00:38:25,620 --> 00:38:22,900
google app and you can type in your

844
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:25,630
symptoms and it will do a search through

845
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:27,490
an algorithm called the knowledge tree

846
00:38:31,500 --> 00:38:29,890
which I don't really understand fully

847
00:38:33,090 --> 00:38:31,510
and I don't think I'm supposed to

848
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:33,100
because Google tends to keep their

849
00:38:36,900 --> 00:38:34,930
algorithms quite secret and they change

850
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:36,910
them a lot but what they do is they

851
00:38:40,380 --> 00:38:38,530
consulted with doctors at Harvard

852
00:38:43,590 --> 00:38:40,390
University in the United States and the

853
00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:43,600
Mayo Clinic as well and they have found

854
00:38:47,100 --> 00:38:45,250
links that they will then pull up for

855
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:47,110
you but they seem to be based in

856
00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:49,090
evidence and in science to make sure

857
00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:51,280
that you're not getting misled what also

858
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:52,960
happens is on the right hand side of

859
00:38:56,340 --> 00:38:54,490
your screen will pop up a thing called a

860
00:39:00,120 --> 00:38:56,350
health card and these are pretty new

861
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:00,130
were launched last month on Google and

862
00:39:05,070 --> 00:39:02,650
they have about 900 different conditions

863
00:39:07,770 --> 00:39:05,080
that they describe they've been designed

864
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:07,780
in consultation with doctors and so what

865
00:39:13,770 --> 00:39:09,610
will happen is if you may be typing that

866
00:39:16,110 --> 00:39:13,780
you have a cold backache in a fever it

867
00:39:17,580 --> 00:39:16,120
will bring up links to websites that

868
00:39:19,350 --> 00:39:17,590
they deem a reliable and it will bring

869
00:39:20,490 --> 00:39:19,360
up a health card and the health codes

870
00:39:22,740 --> 00:39:20,500
are really good because they're very

871
00:39:24,570 --> 00:39:22,750
simple they've got an illustration of

872
00:39:26,670 --> 00:39:24,580
the type of disease that Google thinks

873
00:39:29,130 --> 00:39:26,680
you might have they have three tabs that

874
00:39:31,340 --> 00:39:29,140
tell you about the disease the symptoms

875
00:39:34,590 --> 00:39:31,350
and the treatment and they also

876
00:39:36,900 --> 00:39:34,600
emphasize very big in very big letters

877
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:36,910
that you should go and see a doctor

878
00:39:40,350 --> 00:39:38,770
this is not a substitute for a

879
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:40,360
face-to-face consultation with your

880
00:39:44,370 --> 00:39:42,490
general practitioner but that they do

881
00:39:46,170 --> 00:39:44,380
guide you in a direction where you can

882
00:39:47,190 --> 00:39:46,180
actually get an idea of what whether you

883
00:39:49,350 --> 00:39:47,200
are really sick and whether you should

884
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:49,360
see a doctor straight away I can see

885
00:39:53,700 --> 00:39:51,490
myself using these Rachel I don't know

886
00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:53,710
how many times I've googled symptoms of

887
00:40:00,180 --> 00:39:58,000
meningitis as a mother of children but

888
00:40:03,390 --> 00:40:00,190
doctors are using these as well that

889
00:40:05,130 --> 00:40:03,400
they how are they in the united states

890
00:40:07,290 --> 00:40:05,140
have been around for a while and so

891
00:40:10,170 --> 00:40:07,300
doctors are using them to educate

892
00:40:11,610 --> 00:40:10,180
patients on their diseases because they

893
00:40:13,980 --> 00:40:11,620
are written in a language that's easy

894
00:40:15,390 --> 00:40:13,990
for everyone to understand and so they

895
00:40:17,580 --> 00:40:15,400
can actually put you can download them

896
00:40:19,110 --> 00:40:17,590
as a PDF so everyone can do that so you

897
00:40:20,820 --> 00:40:19,120
can either download them yourself and

898
00:40:22,620 --> 00:40:20,830
take them to your doctor if you think

899
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:22,630
that's what you might have all your

900
00:40:25,770 --> 00:40:24,010
doctor can download it and give it to

901
00:40:27,870 --> 00:40:25,780
you to say this is what we think is

902
00:40:30,300 --> 00:40:27,880
wrong with you the Australian Medical

903
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:30,310
Association has cautiously welcomed them

904
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:32,770
as well I mean it's different the

905
00:40:36,090 --> 00:40:33,970
problem is this is not a perfect

906
00:40:37,830 --> 00:40:36,100
solution obviously it's never going to

907
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:37,840
replace your doctor and one of the

908
00:40:41,100 --> 00:40:39,370
issues that has come up through

909
00:40:43,260 --> 00:40:41,110
discussions with my friends to ER

910
00:40:45,390 --> 00:40:43,270
doctors is well if you put in back ache

911
00:40:47,310 --> 00:40:45,400
to Google back ache is very nonspecific

912
00:40:49,290 --> 00:40:47,320
so you know is it your lower back

913
00:40:51,390 --> 00:40:49,300
returning or your upper back and that

914
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:51,400
would you know definitely have an impact

915
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:54,850
on how a doctor would / to diagnose you

916
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:56,410
say a lower back might be your kidneys

917
00:40:59,700 --> 00:40:57,970
out the back might be lungs and so

918
00:41:02,070 --> 00:40:59,710
there's absolutely no way that you

919
00:41:04,740 --> 00:41:02,080
should rely on this only for medical

920
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:04,750
advice but it's a good start and it can

921
00:41:09,210 --> 00:41:06,400
probably help steer people in the right

922
00:41:10,650 --> 00:41:09,220
direction great advice thank you thats

923
00:41:13,050 --> 00:41:10,660
dr. rachel done up from mccrory

924
00:41:20,100 --> 00:41:13,060
university thanks for having me

925
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groups investigate paranormal claims and

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we participate in pseudo scientific

938
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medical treatments and then report our

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940
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941
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945
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as I've been alluding to and I think may

946
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:18,210
not to over the past little while I've

947
00:42:24,770 --> 00:42:20,210
been engaged in a new project I'm

948
00:42:26,810 --> 00:42:24,780
calling it the great prediction project

949
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:26,820
or project prediction or something like

950
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:33,200
that it involves me are collating

951
00:42:41,150 --> 00:42:37,290
psychic predictions made in australia by

952
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:41,160
australian mystics psychics clairvoyants

953
00:42:48,220 --> 00:42:44,640
tarot card readers astrologers palm

954
00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:48,230
readers what have you made and published

955
00:42:55,839 --> 00:42:50,480
independently published preferably

956
00:42:59,410 --> 00:42:55,849
either online or in magazines said on

957
00:43:02,990 --> 00:42:59,420
radio programs or on TV programmes

958
00:43:05,660 --> 00:43:03,000
predictions of coming events so for

959
00:43:07,220 --> 00:43:05,670
example I've been heading to the State

960
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:07,230
Library here in Sydney where they have

961
00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:09,210
an archival collection of a magazine

962
00:43:14,270 --> 00:43:11,609
called Woman's Day Australians will be

963
00:43:17,450 --> 00:43:14,280
familiar with woman's day magazine it's

964
00:43:22,099 --> 00:43:17,460
a weekly magazine filled with gossip

965
00:43:25,099 --> 00:43:22,109
celebrity news royal news fad diets that

966
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:25,109
sort of thing but over the years they

967
00:43:29,809 --> 00:43:28,290
have regularly featured psychics in fact

968
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:29,819
every issue at the back of the issue

969
00:43:39,140 --> 00:43:33,650
there's our pages of your horoscope and

970
00:43:41,620 --> 00:43:39,150
ads for psychic services I'm sure you

971
00:43:44,180 --> 00:43:41,630
know the kind of thing dial this number

972
00:43:46,970 --> 00:43:44,190
gypsy psychic sees all that sort of

973
00:43:49,010 --> 00:43:46,980
stuff but over the years also they've

974
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:49,020
had features where they've had XYZ

975
00:43:54,650 --> 00:43:52,160
psychic Madame whatever or mr. whoever

976
00:43:58,819 --> 00:43:54,660
gives their predictions for the coming

977
00:44:02,500 --> 00:43:58,829
year so it's a matter of going through

978
00:44:05,420 --> 00:44:02,510
issue by issue since the year 2000

979
00:44:07,010 --> 00:44:05,430
collating these predictions also from

980
00:44:09,500 --> 00:44:07,020
other sources like the Australian

981
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:09,510
version of the International psychics

982
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:11,970
directory our YouTube is a good

983
00:44:19,730 --> 00:44:15,890
reference over the years you will find

984
00:44:21,740 --> 00:44:19,740
psychics giving predictions and also my

985
00:44:24,359 --> 00:44:21,750
own private collection I've been

986
00:44:27,059 --> 00:44:24,369
collating since well

987
00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:27,069
around the year 2000 anyway that means

988
00:44:34,259 --> 00:44:31,359
if I I know a psychic will appear on a

989
00:44:36,109 --> 00:44:34,269
TV shows recording the segment and every

990
00:44:39,450 --> 00:44:36,119
down then the segment will be

991
00:44:41,370 --> 00:44:39,460
predictions now it's a matter of putting

992
00:44:43,650 --> 00:44:41,380
all those into a giant spreadsheet year

993
00:44:46,019 --> 00:44:43,660
by year by year with the year the

994
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:46,029
prediction is meant for in other words

995
00:44:51,509 --> 00:44:49,210
this prediction will come true in 2006

996
00:44:54,180 --> 00:44:51,519
or whatever the case may be who made the

997
00:44:57,029 --> 00:44:54,190
prediction which psychic SIA mystic

998
00:44:59,640 --> 00:44:57,039
clairvoyant where it was published or

999
00:45:02,720 --> 00:44:59,650
broadcast for example woman's day

1000
00:45:07,950 --> 00:45:02,730
magazine 13th or februari 1999 page for

1001
00:45:11,279 --> 00:45:07,960
the prediction itself now normally

1002
00:45:14,069 --> 00:45:11,289
they're not too lengthy but sometimes

1003
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:14,079
they need to be boiled down for example

1004
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:16,210
here's a prediction made in 2007 by

1005
00:45:21,180 --> 00:45:19,690
Brian Oldfield in the international

1006
00:45:23,789 --> 00:45:21,190
psychics directory and the prediction

1007
00:45:26,460 --> 00:45:23,799
says a volcanic eruption will occur on

1008
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:26,470
the Indian subcontinent being the

1009
00:45:30,569 --> 00:45:28,450
largest on record now that's a quite

1010
00:45:32,849 --> 00:45:30,579
straight forward prediction so that

1011
00:45:35,579 --> 00:45:32,859
would be under the category of natural

1012
00:45:37,979 --> 00:45:35,589
disasters I put that under in fact I

1013
00:45:42,450 --> 00:45:37,989
already have other categories include

1014
00:45:46,130 --> 00:45:42,460
celebrities politics spiritual which

1015
00:45:50,130 --> 00:45:46,140
tend to be a bit vague actually and

1016
00:45:52,470 --> 00:45:50,140
terrorism predictions involving

1017
00:45:54,420 --> 00:45:52,480
terrorism things like that and the next

1018
00:45:56,039 --> 00:45:54,430
column along in my spreadsheet would say

1019
00:45:58,950 --> 00:45:56,049
for that particular one well wrong

1020
00:46:00,479 --> 00:45:58,960
because that's easy to go back and check

1021
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:00,489
to see if that prediction actually came

1022
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:04,450
true in 2007 and then further than that

1023
00:46:10,849 --> 00:46:07,839
if necessary explanatory notes for

1024
00:46:14,130 --> 00:46:10,859
example if a psychic predict that the

1025
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:14,140
big red would win a horse race and big

1026
00:46:19,650 --> 00:46:17,170
red didn't then the explanatory notes

1027
00:46:23,430 --> 00:46:19,660
would say which horse actually did or if

1028
00:46:25,890 --> 00:46:23,440
the prediction said this team would win

1029
00:46:27,539 --> 00:46:25,900
the grand final in this particular sport

1030
00:46:29,460 --> 00:46:27,549
and the team did or didn't well the

1031
00:46:34,650 --> 00:46:29,470
explanatory note would would fill all

1032
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:34,660
that up so far the tally of predictions

1033
00:46:41,020 --> 00:46:38,090
is a roughly around 1000 collided so far

1034
00:46:44,500 --> 00:46:41,030
but I know I have many many many more to

1035
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:44,510
do this is a ongoing and this will be a

1036
00:46:49,090 --> 00:46:46,850
lengthy project I think spread out

1037
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:49,100
through the course of the year to give

1038
00:46:58,750 --> 00:46:54,170
me time to weasel out predictions go to

1039
00:47:02,080 --> 00:46:58,760
archives find some more wherever I can

1040
00:47:05,350 --> 00:47:02,090
but in this early stage I can tell you

1041
00:47:06,730 --> 00:47:05,360
then it's good to have all these things

1042
00:47:08,590 --> 00:47:06,740
on a spreadsheet because then you can

1043
00:47:11,500 --> 00:47:08,600
actually start to generate statistics I

1044
00:47:14,250 --> 00:47:11,510
can tell you that the end this is no

1045
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:14,260
surprise and I'm not sort of blowing any

1046
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:17,090
anything here as no spoilers most

1047
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:18,530
predictions are wrong this is just

1048
00:47:23,770 --> 00:47:20,090
simply the way it is but the interesting

1049
00:47:28,180 --> 00:47:23,780
thing after that is what's left over is

1050
00:47:29,860 --> 00:47:28,190
divided into two vague some predictions

1051
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:29,870
many predictions are simply too vague

1052
00:47:35,770 --> 00:47:32,810
for example here's a prediction made for

1053
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:35,780
the year two thousand seven again and

1054
00:47:41,950 --> 00:47:38,810
the prediction reads many big miracles

1055
00:47:44,110 --> 00:47:41,960
will occur mostly unreported but in

1056
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:44,120
India Egypt and Australia there will be

1057
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:46,970
several beautiful ones that will draw

1058
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:48,890
attention now correct me if I'm wrong

1059
00:47:55,390 --> 00:47:51,410
but that goes under the too vague column

1060
00:47:57,550 --> 00:47:55,400
many are like that many ER as I said

1061
00:48:00,030 --> 00:47:57,560
wrong most are wrong then we get

1062
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:00,040
predictions that are expected for

1063
00:48:04,860 --> 00:48:02,810
example if a certain politician is just

1064
00:48:08,020 --> 00:48:04,870
simply expected to win the next election

1065
00:48:12,450 --> 00:48:08,030
that can be put under the expected

1066
00:48:14,740 --> 00:48:12,460
column or if a young married couple

1067
00:48:17,410 --> 00:48:14,750
predicted to have a baby in there trying

1068
00:48:19,060 --> 00:48:17,420
well that's expected again this is open

1069
00:48:20,650 --> 00:48:19,070
to interpretation i guess some

1070
00:48:23,020 --> 00:48:20,660
predictions are fifty-fifty if there's a

1071
00:48:24,700 --> 00:48:23,030
sporting event with two teams and the

1072
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:24,710
psychic predicts one team will win and

1073
00:48:31,750 --> 00:48:28,850
some are very difficult to to tell what

1074
00:48:34,660 --> 00:48:31,760
they are some are very long some go on

1075
00:48:36,370 --> 00:48:34,670
for paragraph after paragraph of talking

1076
00:48:38,740 --> 00:48:36,380
about the moon conjunction with the

1077
00:48:40,810 --> 00:48:38,750
Stars and this planet is in this so some

1078
00:48:43,630 --> 00:48:40,820
people will feel and an honor goes and

1079
00:48:45,820 --> 00:48:43,640
in there if you look carefully and read

1080
00:48:48,910 --> 00:48:45,830
it again you will actually find the

1081
00:48:51,260 --> 00:48:48,920
prediction and what it actually means so

1082
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:51,270
yeah a very interesting project

1083
00:48:57,150 --> 00:48:53,970
more about that as the year progresses

1084
00:49:00,480 --> 00:48:57,160
so yes no spoilers most predictions are

1085
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:00,490
wrong and now it's a matter of finishing

1086
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this as far as I can and I expect I

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expect to end up in the region of two

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thousand or so predictions made from

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about the year 2000 to the current year

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so more news on this predicting project

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over the next few months

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you

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hey Heidi oh hi Joe hi Heidi oh hi

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Maynard hi Maynard oh hi Joe nice day in

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this park yeah yes great weather oh look

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a unicorn a unicorn there are no such

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things as unicorns silly yes there are

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no there isn't hey ladies what are you

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arguing about Joe thinks unicorns are

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real they fo are let's look this up in

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the skeptics dictionary the word how can

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we do that in this perk there are no

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computers here you ladies probably don't

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know about the skeptics dictionary app

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available now for iPhone iPad and iPod

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touch in the App Store yeah we do we've

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been listening to the skeptic zone for

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years you know yes ok the app lets you

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access all the great skeptics dictionary

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articles when you're on the go yeah let

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me look up unicorns oh cool Heidi

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prepare to be proven wrong it says here

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the Unicorn is a creature from fables

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aha actually I see now that someone just

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dumped their ice cream cone on that

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horse's head thanks teaching new iphone

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[Music]

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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zone this week and thank you to all

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those lovely people as kind people as

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generous people those people who chip in

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every week via paypal or patreon your

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donations help keep the show going in

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fact in the last week I was able to buy

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Maynard a little bit of a equipment that

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he needed and that is again thank you to

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the generosity of skeptics own listeners

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coming up on next week's show I don't

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know I can't predict the future can you

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can you predict the future maybe you can

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write your predictions to me and tell me

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what's coming up on next week's show I'm

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sure something will I hope so but i can

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predict it will have something to do

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with science or skepticism i know it's a

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00:51:43,220 --> 00:51:40,350
long shot but but there you go now put

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my neck out and say that in fact coming

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up soon i'll be telling you about some

1139
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predictions non psychics have made for

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this year it'll all make sense i hope it

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all makes sense but for this week with

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the rain still holding off just i'm sure

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we're going to get another downpour soon

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this is Richard Saunders signing off

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from Sydney Australia you've been

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okay hang on hang on ready I'm going to

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take a much deserved sip of wine now you

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ready what was that was card and I

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darling actually no other card and I was

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seven Yount walk halfway through a glass

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when you rang me oh this this might end

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up on the bloomers thank you i ah go for

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it I better get back to them to these